i think the debate last night was much more important obviously to mitt romney then to barack obama. i don't now how much this really changes the landscape because look, this race is very competitive. if you look at the battleground states, sure, depending on the polls president obama is winning and all of them but the margins are pretty close, and i think the other thing that the debates could do for democrats and the president and also for the voters is you know, for our sides too is signaled the game is on and i think you will see much more enthusiasm. people talk about the enthusiasm gap. hart research does the polling for nbc news and "the wall street journal" are go for example with one group. >> so you are the conspiracy -- if hugh are the conspiratorial of the left-wing polling. >> so, barack obama is ahead with latinos but the crush in the poll was their enthusiasm was less than 2008 so i think that is another aspect of last night. >> glen, you know my thinking has been while it was mathematically possible for romney to get the 270 electoral votes without ohio, michigan, pen